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Herbert II (Heribert II), Count of Vermandois

Male Abt 879 - 943  (~ 64 years)


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  • Name Herbert II (Heribert II)  
    Suffix Count of Vermandois 
    Born Abt 879 
    Gender Male 
    History Herbert II (died 23 February 943), Count of Vermandois, Count of Meaux, and Count of Soissons. He was the first to exercise power over the territory that became the province of Champagne.

    Contents [hide]
    1 Life
    2 Death and legacy
    3 Family
    4 Notes
    5 References
    Life[edit]
    Herbert was the son of Herbert I of Vermandois.[1] He was apparently well aware of his descent from Charlemagne.[2] Herbert inherited the domain of his father and in 907, added to it the Abbey of St. Medard, Soissons. He took the position of Lay abbot entitling him to the income of those estates.[1] His marriage with a daughter of king Robert I of France brought him the County of Meaux.[3]

    In 922, when Seulf became Archbishop of Rheims, in an effort to appease Herbert II Seulf solemnly promised him he could nominate his successor.[4] In 923, Count Herbert took the bold step of imprisoning King Charles III, who died still a captive in 929.[a][3] Then, on the death of Seulf in 925, with the help of King Rudolph, he acquired for his second son Hugh (then five years old) the archbishopric of Rheims.[5] Herbert took the additional step of sending emissaries to Rome to Pope John X to gain his approval, which that pope gave in 926.[4] On his election young Hugh was sent to Auxerre to study.[2]

    In 926, on the death of Count Roger of Laon, Herbert demanded this countship for Eudes, his eldest son.[6] He took the town in defiance of King Rudolph leading to a clash between the two in 927.[2] Using the threat of releasing King Charles III, who he held captive, Herbert managed to hold the city for four more years.[2] But after the death of Charles in 929, Rudolph again attacked Laon in 931 successfully defeating Herbert.[2] The same year the king entered Rheims and defeated archbishop Hugh, the son of Herbert.[7] Artaud became the new archbishop of Reims.[7] Herbert II then lost, in three years, Vitry, Laon, Château-Thierry, and Soissons.[8] The intervention of his ally, Henry the Fowler, allowed him to restore his domains (except Rheims and Laon) in exchange for his submission to King Rudolph.

    Later Herbert allied with Hugh the Great and William Longsword, duke of Normandy against King Louis IV, who allocated the County of Laon to Roger II, the son of Roger I, in 941. Herbert and Hugh the Great took back Rheims and captured Artaud.[9] Hugh, the son of Herbert, was restored as archbishop.[9] Again the mediation of the German King Otto I in Visé, near Liège, in 942 allowed for the normalization of the situation.

    Death and legacy[edit]
    Herbert II died on 23 February 943 at Saint-Quentin, Aisne (the capital of the county of Vermandois).[1] His vast estates and territories were divided among his sons.[10] Vermandois and Amiens went to the two elder sons while Robert and Herbert, the younger sons, were given the valuable holdings scattered throughout Champagne.[10] On Robert's death his brother's son Herbert III inherited them all. Herbert III's only son Stephen died childless in 1019–20 thus ending the male line of Herbert II.[10]

    Family[edit]
    Herbert married Adele, daughter of Robert I of France.[11] Together they had the following children:

    Eudes of Vermandois, Count of Amiens and of Vienne, (c.?910–946)[1]
    Adalbert I, Count of Vermandois (c.?915–987), married Gerberge of Lorraine[1]
    Adela of Vermandois (910–960), married 934 Count Arnulf I of Flanders[1]
    Herbert 'the Old' (c.?910–980), Count of Omois, Meaux and Troyes, and abbot of St. Medard, Soissons, married 951 Eadgifu of Wessex daughter of Edward the Elder King of England and widow of Charles III King of France.[b][1]
    Robert of Vermandois, Count of Meaux and Châlons († 967)[1]
    Luitgarde of Vermandois (c.?915-20–978), married 940 William I, Duke of Normandy;[1] married secondly, c.?943–44, Theobald I of Blois[c][12] Their son was Odo I, Count of Blois.[10]
    Hugh of Vermandois (920–962), Archbishop of Reims[1]
    Guy I, Count of Soissons (d. 986).  [1
    History Heribert was born about 879, the son of Heribert I, comte de Vermandois, and Bertha de Morvois. He was count of Vermandois and count of Troyes.

    He inherited the domain of his father and in 907 he added to it the Saint de Soissons abbey. His marriage with Adela (also known as Liégarde) of Neustria brought him the county of Meaux. In 918 he was also named count of Mézerais and of the Véxin. With his cousin Bernhard, count of Beauvais and Senlis, he constituted a powerful group in the west of France, to the north and east of Paris. In 923 he imprisoned King Charles III in Château-Thierry, then in Péronne. He and his wife Adela, daughter of Robert I, king of France, and his wife Aelis, had seven children of whom Adela, Robert, Adalbert and Liutgarde would have progeny.

    In 922 the archbishop of Reims, Seulf, called on Heribert to reduce some of his vassals who were in rebellion against him. On the death of Seulf in 925, with the help of Raoul, king of France he acquired for his second son Hugues (then five years old) the archbishopric of Reims, which had a large inheritance in France and Germany. In 926, on the death of Roger, count of Laon, Heribert demanded this county for Eudes, his eldest son. He settled there, initially against the will of King Raoul, and constructed a fortress there. Raoul yielded to pressure to free King Charles III \'the Simple\', whom Heribert still held in prison.

    In 930 Heribert took the castle of Vitry-en-Perthois at the expense of Boso, the brother of King Raoul. Raoul united his army with that of Hugues, marquis of Neustria, and in 931 they entered Reims and defeated Hugues, the son of Heribert. Artaud became the new archbishop of Reims. Heribert II then lost, in three years, Vitry, Laon, Château-Thierry and Soissons. The intervention of his ally, Emperor Heinrich I \'the Fowler\', allowed him to restore his domains (except Reims and Laon) in exchange for his submission to King Raoul.

    Later Heribert allied with Hugues \'the Great\', duke of the Franks, and Guillaume I \'Longsword\', duke of Normandy, against King Louis IV, who allocated the county of Laon to Roger II, the son of Roger I, in 941. Heribert and Hugues \'the Great\' took back Reims and captured Artaud. Hugues, the son of Heribert, was restored as archbishop. Again the mediation of the German King Otto I, in Visé near Liège, in 942 allowed for the normalisation of the situation.

    Heribert II died on 23 February 943 without having succeeded in building the principality of which he dreamed. His succession was reconciled by Hugues \'the Great\', maternal uncle of his children. It took place in 946 and led to an equitable distribution between Heribert\'s sons.  [2
    Died 23 Feb 943  St. Quentin Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Person ID I575  Ellie Wood Keith
    Last Modified 15 Feb 2018 

    Father Herbert I of Vermandois,   b. c. 848,   d. 907  (Age ~ 59 years) 
    Relationship putative 
    Mother Bertha, de Morvois 
    Relationship putative 
    Family ID F310  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 1 Adela (Liegarde) Hildebrante, of Neustria 
    Married Bef 907 
    Children 
    +1. Robert, Comte de Meaux et Troyes,   b. Abt 910/915,   d. 19 Aug, 967  (Age ~ 52 years)
    Last Modified 8 Jan 2018 
    Family ID F702  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 2 Adele de Chalon 
    Last Modified 19 May 2017 
    Family ID F307  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 3 Adela 
    Children 
    +1. Robert of Vermandois,   b. c. 907, Meaux, France Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. c. 967-8
    Last Modified 19 May 2017 
    Family ID F309  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 4 Adela (Liegarde) Hildebrante, of Neustria 
    Married Bef 907 
    Children 
    +1. Liutgarde (Ledgard), de Vermandois,   b. Abt 915/920,   d. Aft 16 Aug, 979, or 14 Nov, ? Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 59 years)
    Last Modified 15 Feb 2018 
    Family ID F960  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Sources 
    1. [S12] Wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_II,_Count_of_Vermandois.

    2. [S64] Genealogics, Leo Van de Pas, http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020189&tree=LEO.